how much has he been weakened by the benghazi attack? >> not hugely, to be honest because he struck, as lois said a dignified tone, the president's response was what you expect from the head of state, from national leader. you know, this is a -- clearly an incredibly messy situation, events were messy, libya has no central government that has effective control over its territory. argue that gadhafi didn't either. in a chaotic situation, it's natural that it takes time for the facts to emerge. you're also talking about a number of different splinter groups at work here. and, by the way, remarkable demonstrations that actually were riots in and of themselves pro-american and anti-militia led to the deaths of some of the militia members, as a result of those attacks. so you know, libya, even under normal conditions, was chaotic and dysfunctional. now, even more so. i don i don't know that you can credibly going into the e debat saying america should withdraw, we have no role in democracy spreading let's just not what you want to hear from a